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Fair point about the games Nathan. Have you tried ? It's a shame there isn't a greater siolcteen of games available for *nix platforms and perhaps penguinistas ought to be lobbying games developers for more variety and porting their stuff. I cannot comment on your development activities, but as regards office suites, their primary role is to let one do one' work with a minimum of interference; I've been using Office since Windows for Playgroups 3.11 days (and word processors in particular since before the widespread adoption of GUIs) and it's got more of a nuisance and bloated over time. Open Office and KOffice also use open file formats, not the closed proprietary formats into which so much of industry, government and others have been locked into. http://vsynbkss.com [url=http://jainzp.com]jainzp[/url] [link=http://gzpftbdxve.com]gzpftbdxve[/link]